second thoughts....... was: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.

[Baz]

First things first.. glad you're feeling better now :)

Nick Cave  bad? I think that's harsh. He has an amazing and individual
talent that few other people can touch on. However.... Nick Cave CD's must
be handled with caution because they can bring you down, then when you're
down you listen to more Nick Cave and it brings you down even more. Few
people have the ability to paint such a vivid picture with their words and
music but yes, Nick does paint very tragic and sometimes violent pictures.

Nick Cave - Good but dangerous.

Baz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at hotmail.com>
To: <trash-talk at tcp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: second thoughts....... was: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.


> I've been thinking about my statements all yesterday and I came to the
> comclusion that I said some wrong things. First things first though, i had
> difficulties concentrating yesterday due to being forced out of bed at 5am
> and a long, hard day at school and at the same time as I wrote the mail I
> was trying to pay attention in class, so I was very distracted.
> Anyway, back to this mail. Like I mentioned I had a long, hard think about
> my "Nick Cave situation" yesterday, and I have to say a few things about
it.
> I was wrong about his lyric being complex, they're actually quite the
> opposite. Very straightforward and clear.
> I went into a rather bad state yesterday, started to panic in class.
Thought
> of seeking a doctor after school, but I didn't for several reasons I'm not
> going to get into. I started thinking that maybe Nick murderous music
didn't
> help, cos the lyrics on Murder Ballads are QUITE morbid. I decieded to
have
> a listen to garbage (for the first time in long time) and heard through
the
> entire V2.0 plus some gigs(not entire shows, but a few songs) and I swear,
I
> haven't felt so good about myself in WEEKS. I went shopping for groceries
> and as I wandering amongst the shelves I felt my appetite creeping back. I
> was starving and I wanted food, again, for the first time in weeks. The
past
> few weeks when I've been hungry I haven't wanted to eat, food nausiates
me.
> But last night I had a good meal and I wasn't nauseous. So the end of the
> line is: Garbage - GOOD, Nick Cave - BAD. So I suppose your mail DID have
> some effect on me. Maybe not instantly, but I always have to analyse and
> overanalyse things. But one thing I should say, his drug abuse doesen't
> bother me. He's clean now, anyway.
>
> @nette
>
>
>
> "Hello? Operator? Give me the number for nine-one-one!!!"
> -Homer Simpson-
>
> "I couldn't recommend it more highly so you should all start producing."
> -Butch Vig-
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at hotmail.com>
> >To: trash-talk at tcp.com
> >Subject: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.
> >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:12:51 +0200
> >
> >That may be so, but it doesent change the fact that his music rocks. I
> >first bought Murder Ballads a couple of weeks ago (should have bought it
> >years ago). And with the severe death anxiety I've had lately it's sort
of
> >calmed me down a bit with the way the album romanticizes(sp?) death and
> >poeticizes murder. I read a quite by him that states "I don't do happy. I
> >do angry or sad." which has always been the course of my life. I can't
> >quite find the right words to articulate myself well, but I hope you get
> >the general idea. I don't care how he markets himself etc. I love the
> >lyrics he writes, complex with a very simple message. And who can resist
> >that dark, sexy voice? The darker, the sexier I say. ;)  Any ladies agree
> >with me?
> >So in short, no your message didn't help...
> >
> >@nette
> >
> >
> >
> >"Hello? Operator? Give me the number for nine-one-one!!!"
> >-Homer Simpson-
> >
> >"I couldn't recommend it more highly so you should all start producing."
> >-Butch Vig-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Mark <msp0 at yahoo.com>
> >>To: trash-talk at tcp.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.
> >>Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:34:06 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>Oh dear @nette. I feel I have to point out a few things about Nick Cave
> >>to you. Maybe I'll help to break your obsession ... maybe not. :-)
> >>
> >>One of my favourite bands, This is Serious Mum (or TISM) say this about
> >>Nick Cave:
> >>
> >>"Top Ten Sell-outs in Music History"
> >>...
> >>3. Nick Cave becomes addicted to heroin
> >>4. James Brown becomes addicted to PCP
> >>5. Nick Cave *doesn't* become addicted to PCP
> >>...
> >>
> >>Nick is seen as the poor little private school boy who became an
> >>inner-city addict and then made huge mileage out of advertising his
> >>drug addiction. He also spawned a legion of arrogant, self-indulgent
> >>middle-upper class musicians (e.g. Hugo Race, who payed with the
> >>Birthday Party for a short time) who consider the mordant rot they play
> >>something of a class-based crusade.
> >>
> >>Nick is also the first of the group lead by Jim Morrisson, of The Doors
> >>about whom TISM say:
> >>
> >>"Jimbo, father of a generation
> >>Of private school depression idols;
> >> >From Nick Cave on, they don't kill themselves -
> >>They just tell us why they're suicidal."
> >>
> >>I saw Nick Cave live once ... it was not an engaging concert. There was
> >>either no conversation with the audience, or it was banal like "This is
> >>a song about a girl (long pause) she was from Melbourne" for "Deanna".
> >>
> >>Personally, I think he can take his crap novel about the American
> >>South, his "arty" personna, his "work" with Blixa Bargeld, his whining
> >>about his (multiple) drug additions and all the "mystique" surrounding
> >>him and remove himself from the music industry altogether.
> >>
> >>There, I feel much better now ... :-)
> >>
> >>Hope this is of some help ...
> >>
> >>cheers,
> >>mark :-)
> >>
> >>--- "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads
> >> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Live Seeds
> >> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Tender Prey
> >> > Uuuh....that's about it. *lol* Stop me before Nick Cave takes over my
> >> > G
> >> > obsessions!!!!!!! He's too damn sexy...
> >> >
> >> > @nette
> >> >
> >
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