second thoughts....... was: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.

starvin' at nette bowdowntoanette at
Tue Sep 23 10:16:02 PDT 2003

I've been thinking about my statements all yesterday and I came to the 
comclusion that I said some wrong things. First things first though, i had 
difficulties concentrating yesterday due to being forced out of bed at 5am 
and a long, hard day at school and at the same time as I wrote the mail I 
was trying to pay attention in class, so I was very distracted.
Anyway, back to this mail. Like I mentioned I had a long, hard think about 
my "Nick Cave situation" yesterday, and I have to say a few things about it. 
I was wrong about his lyric being complex, they're actually quite the 
opposite. Very straightforward and clear.
I went into a rather bad state yesterday, started to panic in class. Thought 
of seeking a doctor after school, but I didn't for several reasons I'm not 
going to get into. I started thinking that maybe Nick murderous music didn't 
help, cos the lyrics on Murder Ballads are QUITE morbid. I decieded to have 
a listen to garbage (for the first time in long time) and heard through the 
entire V2.0 plus some gigs(not entire shows, but a few songs) and I swear, I 
haven't felt so good about myself in WEEKS. I went shopping for groceries 
and as I wandering amongst the shelves I felt my appetite creeping back. I 
was starving and I wanted food, again, for the first time in weeks. The past 
few weeks when I've been hungry I haven't wanted to eat, food nausiates me. 
But last night I had a good meal and I wasn't nauseous. So the end of the 
line is: Garbage - GOOD, Nick Cave - BAD. So I suppose your mail DID have 
some effect on me. Maybe not instantly, but I always have to analyse and 
overanalyse things. But one thing I should say, his drug abuse doesen't 
bother me. He's clean now, anyway.


"Hello? Operator? Give me the number for nine-one-one!!!"
-Homer Simpson-

"I couldn't recommend it more highly so you should all start producing."
-Butch Vig-

>From: "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at>
>To: trash-talk at
>Subject: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.
>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:12:51 +0200
>That may be so, but it doesent change the fact that his music rocks. I 
>first bought Murder Ballads a couple of weeks ago (should have bought it 
>years ago). And with the severe death anxiety I've had lately it's sort of 
>calmed me down a bit with the way the album romanticizes(sp?) death and 
>poeticizes murder. I read a quite by him that states "I don't do happy. I 
>do angry or sad." which has always been the course of my life. I can't 
>quite find the right words to articulate myself well, but I hope you get 
>the general idea. I don't care how he markets himself etc. I love the 
>lyrics he writes, complex with a very simple message. And who can resist 
>that dark, sexy voice? The darker, the sexier I say. ;)  Any ladies agree 
>with me?
>So in short, no your message didn't help...
>"Hello? Operator? Give me the number for nine-one-one!!!"
>-Homer Simpson-
>"I couldn't recommend it more highly so you should all start producing."
>-Butch Vig-
>>From: Mark <msp0 at>
>>To: trash-talk at
>>Subject: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.
>>Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:34:06 -0700 (PDT)
>>Oh dear @nette. I feel I have to point out a few things about Nick Cave
>>to you. Maybe I'll help to break your obsession ... maybe not. :-)
>>One of my favourite bands, This is Serious Mum (or TISM) say this about
>>Nick Cave:
>>"Top Ten Sell-outs in Music History"
>>3. Nick Cave becomes addicted to heroin
>>4. James Brown becomes addicted to PCP
>>5. Nick Cave *doesn't* become addicted to PCP
>>Nick is seen as the poor little private school boy who became an
>>inner-city addict and then made huge mileage out of advertising his
>>drug addiction. He also spawned a legion of arrogant, self-indulgent
>>middle-upper class musicians (e.g. Hugo Race, who payed with the
>>Birthday Party for a short time) who consider the mordant rot they play
>>something of a class-based crusade.
>>Nick is also the first of the group lead by Jim Morrisson, of The Doors
>>about whom TISM say:
>>"Jimbo, father of a generation
>>Of private school depression idols;
>> >From Nick Cave on, they don't kill themselves -
>>They just tell us why they're suicidal."
>>I saw Nick Cave live once ... it was not an engaging concert. There was
>>either no conversation with the audience, or it was banal like "This is
>>a song about a girl (long pause) she was from Melbourne" for "Deanna".
>>Personally, I think he can take his crap novel about the American
>>South, his "arty" personna, his "work" with Blixa Bargeld, his whining
>>about his (multiple) drug additions and all the "mystique" surrounding
>>him and remove himself from the music industry altogether.
>>There, I feel much better now ... :-)
>>Hope this is of some help ...
>>mark :-)
>>--- "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at> wrote:
>> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads
>> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Live Seeds
>> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Tender Prey
>> > Uuuh....that's about it. *lol* Stop me before Nick Cave takes over my
>> > G
>> > obsessions!!!!!!! He's too damn sexy...
>> >
>> > @nette
>> >
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