second thoughts....... was: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.

Wed Sep 24 04:35:04 PDT 2003

@nette,

Good to hear you are feeling better. Sorry if I was a bit abrupt ... I
was partially doing the TISM "slam" on Nick Cave ... now if you want to
get some anger out at the futility of life sometimes, and have a laugh,
dance, and yet nod your head in agreement at the incisive lyrics hidden
behind the sarcasm and slightly bad taste facade, then you need TISM!
:-)

Anyway ... I can't really stand Nick Cave ... his life experiences are
obviously not anywhere close to mine and I can't relate to the lyrics
I've heard. 

Your mileage may vary of course ... and you are welcome to express your
opinions on mine anytime!

Take care and I'll leave you with another TISM lyric quote from their
song "Five Yards" (excuse the local personality references that you
won't get):

You're only one fad away from being retro
You're only one drug away from liking techno
You're only one glasses of pair from dyslexia
You're only one Cleo mag from anorexia

You're only five yards from a fuckwit

You're only one download from this song's copyright
You're only one Tim Tam away from cellulite
You're only one phone call from captaining the Aussie side
You're only one lifestyle show from suicide
You're only one station from John Laws' shit
You're only one labotomy from believing it

You're only five yards from a fuckwit

You're only one tabloid press from a lynch mob
You're only one acting role from a real job
You're only one strip of flesh from your bones
You're only one species away from Alan Jones

You're only one small speck in space
You're only one life, soon erased
Be there none left on Earth but you
One thing will still remain true

You're only five yards from a fuckwit

--- "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've been thinking about my statements all yesterday and I came to
> the 
> comclusion that I said some wrong things. First things first though,
> i had 
> difficulties concentrating yesterday due to being forced out of bed
> at 5am 
> and a long, hard day at school and at the same time as I wrote the
> mail I 
> was trying to pay attention in class, so I was very distracted.
> Anyway, back to this mail. Like I mentioned I had a long, hard think
> about 
> my "Nick Cave situation" yesterday, and I have to say a few things
> about it. 
> I was wrong about his lyric being complex, they're actually quite the
> 
> opposite. Very straightforward and clear.
> I went into a rather bad state yesterday, started to panic in class.
> Thought 
> of seeking a doctor after school, but I didn't for several reasons
> I'm not 
> going to get into. I started thinking that maybe Nick murderous music
> didn't 
> help, cos the lyrics on Murder Ballads are QUITE morbid. I decieded
> to have 
> a listen to garbage (for the first time in long time) and heard
> through the 
> entire V2.0 plus some gigs(not entire shows, but a few songs) and I
> swear, I 
> haven't felt so good about myself in WEEKS. I went shopping for
> groceries 
> and as I wandering amongst the shelves I felt my appetite creeping
> back. I 
> was starving and I wanted food, again, for the first time in weeks.
> The past 
> few weeks when I've been hungry I haven't wanted to eat, food
> nausiates me. 
> But last night I had a good meal and I wasn't nauseous. So the end of
> the 
> line is: Garbage - GOOD, Nick Cave - BAD. So I suppose your mail DID
> have 
> some effect on me. Maybe not instantly, but I always have to analyse
> and 
> overanalyse things. But one thing I should say, his drug abuse
> doesen't 
> bother me. He's clean now, anyway.
> 
> @nette
> 
> 
> 
> "Hello? Operator? Give me the number for nine-one-one!!!"
> -Homer Simpson-
> 
> "I couldn't recommend it more highly so you should all start
> producing."
> -Butch Vig-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at hotmail.com>
> >To: trash-talk at tcp.com
> >Subject: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.
> >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:12:51 +0200
> >
> >That may be so, but it doesent change the fact that his music rocks.
> I 
> >first bought Murder Ballads a couple of weeks ago (should have
> bought it 
> >years ago). And with the severe death anxiety I've had lately it's
> sort of 
> >calmed me down a bit with the way the album romanticizes(sp?) death
> and 
> >poeticizes murder. I read a quite by him that states "I don't do
> happy. I 
> >do angry or sad." which has always been the course of my life. I
> can't 
> >quite find the right words to articulate myself well, but I hope you
> get 
> >the general idea. I don't care how he markets himself etc. I love
> the 
> >lyrics he writes, complex with a very simple message. And who can
> resist 
> >that dark, sexy voice? The darker, the sexier I say. ;)  Any ladies
> agree 
> >with me?
> >So in short, no your message didn't help...
> >
> >@nette
> >
> >
> >
> >"Hello? Operator? Give me the number for nine-one-one!!!"
> >-Homer Simpson-
> >
> >"I couldn't recommend it more highly so you should all start
> producing."
> >-Butch Vig-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Mark <msp0 at yahoo.com>
> >>To: trash-talk at tcp.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Trash-talk] I'm back, band recs.
> >>Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:34:06 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>Oh dear @nette. I feel I have to point out a few things about Nick
> Cave
> >>to you. Maybe I'll help to break your obsession ... maybe not. :-)
> >>
> >>One of my favourite bands, This is Serious Mum (or TISM) say this
> about
> >>Nick Cave:
> >>
> >>"Top Ten Sell-outs in Music History"
> >>...
> >>3. Nick Cave becomes addicted to heroin
> >>4. James Brown becomes addicted to PCP
> >>5. Nick Cave *doesn't* become addicted to PCP
> >>...
> >>
> >>Nick is seen as the poor little private school boy who became an
> >>inner-city addict and then made huge mileage out of advertising his
> >>drug addiction. He also spawned a legion of arrogant,
> self-indulgent
> >>middle-upper class musicians (e.g. Hugo Race, who payed with the
> >>Birthday Party for a short time) who consider the mordant rot they
> play
> >>something of a class-based crusade.
> >>
> >>Nick is also the first of the group lead by Jim Morrisson, of The
> Doors
> >>about whom TISM say:
> >>
> >>"Jimbo, father of a generation
> >>Of private school depression idols;
> >> >From Nick Cave on, they don't kill themselves -
> >>They just tell us why they're suicidal."
> >>
> >>I saw Nick Cave live once ... it was not an engaging concert. There
> was
> >>either no conversation with the audience, or it was banal like
> "This is
> >>a song about a girl (long pause) she was from Melbourne" for
> "Deanna".
> >>
> >>Personally, I think he can take his crap novel about the American
> >>South, his "arty" personna, his "work" with Blixa Bargeld, his
> whining
> >>about his (multiple) drug additions and all the "mystique"
> surrounding
> >>him and remove himself from the music industry altogether.
> >>
> >>There, I feel much better now ... :-)
> >>
> >>Hope this is of some help ...
> >>
> >>cheers,
> >>mark :-)
> >>
> >>--- "starvin' @nette" <bowdowntoanette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads
> >> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Live Seeds
> >> > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Tender Prey
> >> > Uuuh....that's about it. *lol* Stop me before Nick Cave takes
> over my
> >> > G
> >> > obsessions!!!!!!! He's too damn sexy...
> >> >
> >> > @nette
> >> >
> >
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