[trash-talk] I may be a pest pointing this out... BUT

[Shirley Vixen]

I agree that it's intertesting how people justify it. I say, stop justifying 
it, just do it dammit. You have no one to answer to but yourself (and the 
police if they should decide you're doing some illegal and arrest you! Eep!)

lou
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>From: "Shell Bryson" <shell.bryson at dhnewmedia.com>
>To: "Trash" <trash-talk at tcp.com>
>Subject: RE: [trash-talk] I may be a pest pointing this out... BUT
>Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:30:38 +0100
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>Okay a brain dump of things, in a random order, vaguely in reply to Elfie
>:-)
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>I don't think the music industry is particularly smart, but this discussion
>was about the legality of taking copies and distributing them. Buying 
>second
>hand albums is not illegal. Downloading them and sharing over them over the
>internet IS illegal, and does nothing at all to encourage people to buy
>legitimate copies. It doesn't encourage (as you suggested) people to buy a
>ringbones, because they can download those the same places they download
>their MP3s! You have to sell a LOT of ringtones to turn over the sort of
>money made from an album sale.
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>However, concerts and live appearances are the place where the band makes
>real money, so from THAT point of view any promotion is good promotion 
>(even
>if it is in the form of people downloading tracks). I find it a slightly
>strange thing to say "well I don't buy them to punish the record labels" -
>the record labels frankly don't give a shit, and unfortunately it's the
>BANDS that get hurt the most. If the label has less money, they sign less
>bands, release less singles etc etc. Ultimately it's the bands that are 
>hit.
>The fault lays completely at the feet of the labels themselves. They are
>stupid and arrogant and utterly blind when it comes to the way people use
>technology. But, I really don't know if this is an excuse.
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>It's funny really, as I have a lot of MP3s here and we rarely "buy" new
>music, apart from Garbage (and we work for them!) or second hand albums. I
>guess we're in the same boat as Elfie, in that frankly it's too expensive 
>to
>buy new albums all the time and I refuse to download legitimate MP3s (via
>iTunes etc) as the quality SUCKS.
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>I just find it funny the way people justify it. We all KNOW it's illegal 
>and
>we should NOT be doing it, and we find all these convoluted ways of
>justifying it ("teach the label a less", "force them to cut the price of
>albums").
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>Here's another spin on the videos:
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>The band have paid a lot of money for a sexy new web site that has videos 
>on
>it. When you go to the site you get to see what other singles are, read the
>latest news etc etc - all that nice marketing stuff that is designed to
>encourage fans to think about Garbage more often and buy more records. You
>don't get ANY of that when you download a copy of a video. for better or
>worse! :-) If you want to watch these things you should go to the site, as
>the band have PAID for those copies to be put there. If everyone is just
>going to download the things, what's the point at all? It costs the band a
>lot of money, and you can get it free elsewhere.
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>I think it's really easy to forget about the truth of a band, any band.
>Behind it all they are a company, just like any other company - and as
>unsexy as that might be, every rock and roll band needs to make money to
>exist. This means marketing and sales are really important. It's dull,
>unglamorous, and fuck-all to do with the music, but if money isn't made,
>albums aren't made either.
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>From: trash-talk-bounces at tcp.com [mailto:trash-talk-bounces at tcp.com] On
>Behalf Of Queen Helen fanclub
>Sent: 07 May 2005 10:03
>To: trash-talk at tcp.com
>Subject: RE: [trash-talk] I may be a pest pointing this out... BUT
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>Oh yeah, and I'm so annoyed at that "you're bad and we're losing so much
>money because you're downloading music" crap that whenever I can, I buy my
>original cds and album second hand so they don't get the money. I'd rather
>buy it new, but most of the time it's too expensive, and it's a way to
>punish them, record companies, etc. People who think that way. Until they
>change their views and realise and open their eyes, I will keep doing it
>(buying second hand records). OR I buy them in another country that France
>so that France don't get the sales. Because I hate Pascal Negre the boss
>from Universal.
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