[Trash-talk] none

[alayna hughes]

I don't hate you, I get that you can feel pissed. It
is a pain that I have to import singles and spend a
bnch of money etc. But I know that when I met shirley
on the BG tour she was EXtremely gracious. They are
people after all and what would you all be thinking
about if your careers and marraiges were in trouble? I
feel bad for shirley having to live away from eddie
all the time it really was inevitable.

alayna


--- "Rob @ the Garbage Discography"
<garbagedisco at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Matt,
> 
> I don't think anyone will slate you for writing that
> to be honest. I'm not 
> but I don't see why not knowing details like Butch
> leaving the band and 
> Shirleys reported break up makes a difference.
> 
> 1: Bands break up all the time, we all know Garbage
> will end some day some 
> say after this album, including myself. Every band
> that breaks up is either 
> known in the press before the fans know, or most
> fan's find out via the 
> press first so I don't really see your point there.
> All bands end with 
> statemenst like we have enjoyed this and that but we
> are ending or this will 
> be our final tour.
> 
> 2: You state that they band have a personal life, a
> private life that they 
> are entitled two. I really don't think it's anyones
> business to know about 
> there personal life. Shirleys and Eddies reported
> break up should be between 
> them and them only, not with the inclusion of 4
> million fans, even if it is 
> being reported in Shirl's words. I personally don't
> think we should be 
> discussing this publicilly full stop.
> 
> 3: The band are on a big label now far bigger than
> Mushroom Records (UK) was 
> so they (the label) will want almost instant
> comeback on their investment 
> they have spent on Garbage, the only place they will
> get this is from us, 
> the fan's - fullstop. Look at any of the other acts
> that are signed to the 
> same label they all have fan clubs set up by the
> label for extra revenue. We 
> use to pay to join Garbage Zone so what's the
> difference now? OK they are 
> making money from the ticket sales which I must
> admit I am against.
> 
> 4: Yes commnication between the band and the fans
> could have been better 
> during the recording of Bleed Like Me but at the
> same time look what was 
> going on at that period in time, personal problems,
> internal problems, a 
> long term member leaving the band (Dan), outside
> producers/different 
> surroundings and changing record companies, just
> some of the problems. 
> Imagine being them and your world being turned
> upside down the last thing 
> you would want to think about is communicating these
> problems to your fans.
> 
> I'd say give this album a chance and see how you
> feel after, from what I've 
> heard people saying about the album it's far better
> than they expected it 
> would be.
> 
> Rob
> 
> Home to the Garbage Discography
> www.garbagedisco.com
> 
> Join the forum and discuss your collections
> www.garbagedisco.com/forum
> 
> 
> 
> >From: matt <ifeelintoxicated at yahoo.com>
> >To: trash-talk at tcp.com
> >Subject: [Trash-talk] none
> >Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:06:06 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Before I start this message, I just want to say
> that
> >some of you may disagree with me.  I hope that none
> of
> >you take this personally, though.
> >
> >
> >As most of you know by now, a few newspapers will
> be
> >reporting tomorrow about the breakup of Shirley's
> >marriage.  It has also recently become known that
> >Garbage almost broke up during the recording of
> this
> >album, when Butch decided to leave the band for a
> few
> >months.
> >
> >Now, I had some thought on this whole thing, and
> I'll
> >give you all warning that this may be a long
> e-mail.
> >
> >
> >We're all Garbage fans here.  Some of us have been
> >fans longer than others.  Some of us have large
> >collections, some have small collections, while
> others
> >may just have the albums.  Most of us have seen
> >Garbage in concert, but some of us haven't.  But
> we're
> >all on this mailing list because we all love
> Shirley,
> >Butch, Duke, and Steve.
> >
> >There was a period during the recording of this
> album
> >where there was no news.  The studio diaries had
> >stopped for a period of a few months, and nobody
> knew
> >what was going on.  (I realize that some of you
> knew
> >what was going on, but you're in the minority
> here).
> >It was during this time that, I'm assuming, Butch
> left
> >the band, and possibly when Shirley's marriage was
> >crumbling.  But none of the fans knew about it, and
> >there's something about that that bothers me.
> >
> >Before I go on, I'll say this: I know that the band
> >members have private lives, and want to keep their
> >lives private.  But they are public figures, and
> they
> >have sinced talked about the issues I'm discussing.
> >
> >As Garbage fans, we are essentially their
> employers.
> >We buy their albums, we buy their singles, we go to
> >their concerts.  We're the ones paying their bills.
> >We are paying them to entertain us.  And in all
> >honesty, I feel betrayed as a fan that there was so
> >much going on during the recording of Bleed Like Me
> >that I didn't know about.  I didn't know that Butch
> >left the band until I read the press release.  And
> now
> >Shirley has decided to talk to a newspaper about
> her
> >breakup (possibly divorce, I'm not sure).
> >
> >It seems like they're talking about all this to
> >promote the album.  They left their fans in the
> dark
> >about all this, but now that the album's coming
> out, I
> >guess it's time to let the whole world know that
> Butch
> >threw a hissy fit, and that Shirley and Eddie are
> no
> >longer together.  And while I feel awful about what
> >happened, I really and truly do, it just seems
> unfair
> >that this stuff is reported to the press first.
> >
> >After listening to their music, seeing them in
> >concert, and reading all about them in magazines
> and
> >on the internet, I feel that I know the band.  But
> it
> >seems like their concern for their fans has
> dwindled.
> >They nearly broke up and nobody knew about it.  If
> >they had broken up, there probably would have just
> >been a press release that said "Sorry" and that
> >would've been it.
> >
> >And now they're charging their fans to belong to a
> fan
> >club, and that just makes this whole thing seem so
> >much more betraying.  Now I have to PAY them even
> MORE
> >money???  I have every one of their commercial US
> and
> >UK releases.  (I won't get into promotional
> releases,
> >since they don't get royalties form those).  I've
> seen
> >them in concert three times.  We're the reason
> they're
> >all millionaires, and now they want us to pay them
> >even more money.  I just don't understand this.  I
> >know I've used this word a lot, but I feel
> betrayed.
> >What the hell's the point anymore?
> >
> >Now to get the full Garbage experience, I'll have
> to:
> >-buy the album (around $15)
> >-join the "fan" club ($20)
> 
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