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[Rob at the Garbage Discography]

Matt,

I don't think anyone will slate you for writing that to be honest. I'm not 
but I don't see why not knowing details like Butch leaving the band and 
Shirleys reported break up makes a difference.

1: Bands break up all the time, we all know Garbage will end some day some 
say after this album, including myself. Every band that breaks up is either 
known in the press before the fans know, or most fan's find out via the 
press first so I don't really see your point there. All bands end with 
statemenst like we have enjoyed this and that but we are ending or this will 
be our final tour.

2: You state that they band have a personal life, a private life that they 
are entitled two. I really don't think it's anyones business to know about 
there personal life. Shirleys and Eddies reported break up should be between 
them and them only, not with the inclusion of 4 million fans, even if it is 
being reported in Shirl's words. I personally don't think we should be 
discussing this publicilly full stop.

3: The band are on a big label now far bigger than Mushroom Records (UK) was 
so they (the label) will want almost instant comeback on their investment 
they have spent on Garbage, the only place they will get this is from us, 
the fan's - fullstop. Look at any of the other acts that are signed to the 
same label they all have fan clubs set up by the label for extra revenue. We 
use to pay to join Garbage Zone so what's the difference now? OK they are 
making money from the ticket sales which I must admit I am against.

4: Yes commnication between the band and the fans could have been better 
during the recording of Bleed Like Me but at the same time look what was 
going on at that period in time, personal problems, internal problems, a 
long term member leaving the band (Dan), outside producers/different 
surroundings and changing record companies, just some of the problems. 
Imagine being them and your world being turned upside down the last thing 
you would want to think about is communicating these problems to your fans.

I'd say give this album a chance and see how you feel after, from what I've 
heard people saying about the album it's far better than they expected it 
would be.

Rob

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>From: matt <ifeelintoxicated at yahoo.com>
>To: trash-talk at tcp.com
>Subject: [Trash-talk] none
>Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:06:06 -0800 (PST)
>
>Before I start this message, I just want to say that
>some of you may disagree with me.  I hope that none of
>you take this personally, though.
>
>
>As most of you know by now, a few newspapers will be
>reporting tomorrow about the breakup of Shirley's
>marriage.  It has also recently become known that
>Garbage almost broke up during the recording of this
>album, when Butch decided to leave the band for a few
>months.
>
>Now, I had some thought on this whole thing, and I'll
>give you all warning that this may be a long e-mail.
>
>
>We're all Garbage fans here.  Some of us have been
>fans longer than others.  Some of us have large
>collections, some have small collections, while others
>may just have the albums.  Most of us have seen
>Garbage in concert, but some of us haven't.  But we're
>all on this mailing list because we all love Shirley,
>Butch, Duke, and Steve.
>
>There was a period during the recording of this album
>where there was no news.  The studio diaries had
>stopped for a period of a few months, and nobody knew
>what was going on.  (I realize that some of you knew
>what was going on, but you're in the minority here).
>It was during this time that, I'm assuming, Butch left
>the band, and possibly when Shirley's marriage was
>crumbling.  But none of the fans knew about it, and
>there's something about that that bothers me.
>
>Before I go on, I'll say this: I know that the band
>members have private lives, and want to keep their
>lives private.  But they are public figures, and they
>have sinced talked about the issues I'm discussing.
>
>As Garbage fans, we are essentially their employers.
>We buy their albums, we buy their singles, we go to
>their concerts.  We're the ones paying their bills.
>We are paying them to entertain us.  And in all
>honesty, I feel betrayed as a fan that there was so
>much going on during the recording of Bleed Like Me
>that I didn't know about.  I didn't know that Butch
>left the band until I read the press release.  And now
>Shirley has decided to talk to a newspaper about her
>breakup (possibly divorce, I'm not sure).
>
>It seems like they're talking about all this to
>promote the album.  They left their fans in the dark
>about all this, but now that the album's coming out, I
>guess it's time to let the whole world know that Butch
>threw a hissy fit, and that Shirley and Eddie are no
>longer together.  And while I feel awful about what
>happened, I really and truly do, it just seems unfair
>that this stuff is reported to the press first.
>
>After listening to their music, seeing them in
>concert, and reading all about them in magazines and
>on the internet, I feel that I know the band.  But it
>seems like their concern for their fans has dwindled.
>They nearly broke up and nobody knew about it.  If
>they had broken up, there probably would have just
>been a press release that said "Sorry" and that
>would've been it.
>
>And now they're charging their fans to belong to a fan
>club, and that just makes this whole thing seem so
>much more betraying.  Now I have to PAY them even MORE
>money???  I have every one of their commercial US and
>UK releases.  (I won't get into promotional releases,
>since they don't get royalties form those).  I've seen
>them in concert three times.  We're the reason they're
>all millionaires, and now they want us to pay them
>even more money.  I just don't understand this.  I
>know I've used this word a lot, but I feel betrayed.
>What the hell's the point anymore?
>
>Now to get the full Garbage experience, I'll have to:
>-buy the album (around $15)
>-join the "fan" club ($20)
>-import all the UK releases, so I can have all the
>b-sides, since no single has been released in the US
>since Push It (around $50 for the whole album's
>singles)
>-see them in concert (around $40 per ticket, with
>fees)
>
>Whatever.  I feel like I'm done with this band.  I
>know that most of you will disagree with me, and I'll
>probably become hated on this list, but I really don't
>care.  I'm sure I'll still buy the new album, but I'll
>probably sell the concert tickets I bought.  Or maybe
>I'll just download the album and all the b-sides
>without buying anything.  They already have enough of
>my money.
>
>-Matt
>
>
>
>
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