[trash-talk] foockin' money makin'

Slava deadwood at inbox.ru
Tue Aug 23 06:40:25 PDT 2005


Shell Bryson wrote:
> I'm not going to have a go at other fan sites. They do a fab job. 
> However there were no fans at the Jane event (that I knew of) and we had 
> a professional photographer there (as well as us shooting),
however..
http://garbagedisco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2262
http://garbage.proboards15.com/index.cgi?board=tour&action=display&thread=1124585684
> Tiago doesn't get access to do things like that.
Maybe.. but garbage box is in my bookmarks and g.com not. I do read RSS 
though.

Btw, it's not only about pics of course..
As you said, g.com is there to make money and to promote the band.
Don't know about money, but I can't see the good promotion.
All the information about single's release dates, tracklistings
I get on the garbagedisco.com forum or through the google.
Is it a promotion? If label can't provide you such information..
well... it's a catastrophe!
I think every official site have such information. I don't ask for 
something, as I wrote I'm happy with other sites, but some things are
more or less important for the band.


Slava


Pictures that dont get
> used now spill over into the gallery at subhuman.net (which is free). So 
> one way or another it all comes back to fans. I really WISH we could do 
> more, and yes, garbage.com is nowhere near what we wanted to do. But 
> it's the best we can achieve given we have no resources and virtually no 
> support.
> 
> I dont think that means we should stop trying.
> 
> 
>> What you fighting for?
>> For pictures? No need...
>> Fans are pretty happy with sites like Garbage box (check out Tourbox 
>> if it's all about pictures for you) or garbagedisco.
>> There's (and always was) 'by the fans for the fans' stuff already, but 
>> you're working for this 'milking money' machine. And we can see the 
>> results of this work...
>>
>> Current garbage.com is REALLY shameful, not a 'naive slap' from Matt.
>>
>> "nobody else will"... megalomania?..
>>
>>
>> Slava
>>
>>
>> Shell Bryson wrote:
>>
>>> You have no idea how hard we all work here to try and deliver 
>>> ANYTHING for
>>> the fans. It's a constant battle with the label and management to get 
>>> a damn
>>> thing for the fans. We have to struggle for even the most simple 
>>> things, and
>>> it takes MONTHS to get anything at all to happen. Have you any clue 
>>> at all
>>> the pitch battles that take place to get even simple competitions to 
>>> happen?
>>>
>>> The problem is you see, to a *label* a web site is just another 
>>> commercial
>>> tool. It's there to make money and to promote the band. It's got 
>>> nothing to
>>> do with fans, other than milking money from them. Luckily, in the 
>>> case of
>>> Garbage, there are a few dedicated fans involved trying to make sure 
>>> that at
>>> least some things happen that are not driven by making money.
>>>
>>> Sirin and I have worked really hard for the best part of 5 years on fan
>>> things, and for what? We've been really lucky in this last year or so 
>>> to be
>>> asked to be involved in the commericial aspects of garbage.com, which 
>>> has
>>> given us the oportunity to go to events like Jane to shoot pictures FOR
>>> fans.
>>>
>>> So, ashamed? No. You might be bitter, but a few of us are still out 
>>> there
>>> trying to fight for something better for fans. If that means we have 
>>> to sit
>>> on the labels side of the fense from time to time, so be it.
>>>
>>> Frankly, a naïve slap in the face like that from you Matt is shameful.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, we'll keep doing everything we can, and we WILL be at every
>>> Garbage event we can possibly get to so that we can have something 
>>> for the
>>> fansite - because if we don’t, nobody else will.
>>>
>>> s.



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