[Trash-talk] outside producers

Mon Feb 16 17:29:49 PST 2004

Woah Kevin calm down! I think you're taking it a little bit seriously. Is it 
not good to get a mix of styles and stuff? To take input from other people 
who have created some impressive things, everyone has peopel that they 
admire and garbage are no different. They are bringing in talented musicians 
and producers etc to help create something which feeds off all those 
different talents and unique views. BG wasn't so great, you know. It's not 
as if Garbage as an exclusive group make it perfectly everytime. What is so 
wrong with getting inspiration and difference from other people? It's still 
going to be Garbage but it will hopefulyl be again something different. We 
need something fresh. They need something fresh. I'm interested to see what 
will come out of this. Maybe it will suck. Maybe it won't. But we'll see.

lou
xx

>From: Silent G <si1entg at yahoo.com>
>To: trash-talk at tcp.com
>Subject: [Trash-talk] Re: Trash-talk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 16
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:34:36 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi G-fans.. yeah I know I haven't posted in ages, but
>I had to speak up about this topic. It has been
>bothering me for while now as I sit here waiting for
>the new Garbage album. I'm actually really scared...
>
>  I'm just wondering... why does Garbage, a band made
>up of producers, needs an outside producer in another
>part of the country to "produce" their new album?
>
>  What happened to the Garbage that made their own
>style of music? That is what sets them apart from all
>the others.... I love them cause they "used to" do
>their own thing. I've seen this happen with bands that
>feel they can't keep up with all those fake, media
>trendy, pop bands that have a song playing constantly
>on every radio station litterly till you can't stand
>hearing it anymore!! Arrrghh!!!
>  So the band will hire some "outside guy" to tell them
>"ok, this is what you are doing wrong and this is what
>you need to do." Then when the die-hard fans finally
>get the long anticipated new album you listen to it
>and go "wtf?? this doesn't even sound like the same
>band!!" Yet when you see them live they really are the
>band you love, but the album has no strong connection
>their their real talent.
>   I really hope I'm wrong about this, but I just lost
>a band I had loved for years to this very same
>situation. (read my story in the p.s.) They sold their
>soul just cause "some guy" thought it was the right
>move...sigh
>I say Garbage should just keep doing own thing...but
>when it comes down to it..its all about the money.
>Sad..sad news...
>
>-Silent_G
>
>P.S.  This is the band that sold their soul..btw
>"the end of upstairs..." by Silent_G
>I can't believe I heard him say: "You already got the
>door money, so just blow off the last set and go home
>early..."
>Yeah, your band has great potential there... Maybe now
>that you spilt up you'll finally see... Now that the
>album you thought was gonna be "Huge" was really a
>huge flop... because you spent all the money you made
>opening for "Michelle Branch in Central Park" on an
>outside producer... What money?? Oh right, you should
>have won that contest, but no they wanted a "fake"
>girl they could make another pop monster out of... It
>was fixed...that girl that won, she lip sang on top of
>her own recording...Where's the talent in that??..oh
>wait that's what the masses want to hear... So now
>they no longer have to listen to some guy in another
>state tell them "this is what you need to do to make
>your band great..." Some guy who has never even seen
>them live. I never understood, but I guess you just
>wanted to be popualar...I loved your band the way it
>was before.
>=(
>
>Please don't do this to Garbage too!!!
>
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:07:37 -0800
> > From: "Alan Hoppe" <scully_itsme at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Trash-talk] new record - butch?!
> > To: skull at spastica.net, trash-talk at tcp.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <Sea2-F21A19mzRjo2EK0000ce92 at hotmail.com>
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> >
> > i was thinking about that very same thing just last
> > night. my friend ruthie
> > likes to go to my msn community and stir up trouble.
> > so he said 'what with
> > all these guest artists, that's a bad sign - the new
> > album will probably
> > suck!' (he loves to torment me)
> >
> > anyway, my reply was here
> > and it touches on this butch topic
> > and i think he's drinking beer
> >
> >
>http://groups.msn.com/beautifulgarbage/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=1498
> >
> > <snip> .. On the last album, Matt Chamberlain
> > provided drums for several
> > tracks. This was something that came about more for
> > creative reasons, not
> > because Butch ran out of drumming ideas - and in the
> > end, a different
> > drumming style appeared to work better for those
> > tracks. At least, that's
> > what I've heard someplace. Probably one of those
> > silly interviews. On this
> > album, it could be the same sort of situation.
> > They've had two drummers come
> > in now - Matt C. apparently came back and worked
> > with them, and Dave Grohl.
> > And with regard to the bass playing that's been
> > provided, that was going to
> > happen no matter what - because Daniel Shulman, the
> > band's bassist, is no
> > longer with the band.
> >
> > I think Butch Vig likes it when other drummers play
> > on tracks. And drumming
> > isn't the only thing he's doing in the grand scheme
> > of things. He's also
> > drinking beer!
> >
> > WOOPS - I mean doing production and stuff. I mean ..
> > he might be drinking
> > beer. I have heard that the members of Garbage
> > occasionally party down.
> >
> > If anything, the biggest difference with this album
> > is that they're working
> > with an outside producer. Normally this was done by
> > the band members
> > themselves. For Shirley, it means being surrounded
> > by one more studio nerd.
> > And for her bandmates, it's like ... dude ...
> > another dude!
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > -Alan-
> > http://groups.msn.com/beautifulgarbage
> > celebrating four years of garbage love and beauty
> >
> > >From: "Stefanie Schwartz" <skull at spastica.net>
> > >To: <trash-talk at tcp.com>
> > >Subject: [Trash-talk] new record - butch?!
> > >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:51:56 -0500
> > >
> > >so here's a question.
> > >dave grohl is drumming.
> > >matt chamberlain is drumming.
> > >dust brothers dude is producing.
> > >is butch lounging in a hammock sipping pina coladas
> > or what?
> >
> >
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