[trash-talk] I may be a pest pointing this out... BUT

Shirley Vixen shirleyvixen at hotmail.com
Sat May 7 06:16:35 PDT 2005

I do agree that too many people are getting on their high horse about such 
things. Generally it is those who already have access to the music without 
needing to download it that seem quick to preach. I understand sites like 
Garbage Disco saying not to post links to things because that can get them 
in trouble as well but I don't understand people looking negatively on other 
Garbage fans who choose to download and share. When I first got the 
internet, I was 11 years old. I'd been into Garbage for 3 years but the idea 
of buying all the singles and such was alien to me because I couldn't afford 
it. I downloaded all the b-sides from the internet and it was another 2-3 
years before I managed to actually get all the singles. I don't think there 
was anything wrong with that.

Even now, I would have no shame in downloading Space Can Come Through Anyone 
- I still haven't heard that song - it's just laziness that means I haven't 
downloaded it. I don't feel guilty whatsoever by downloading music. Hey, I'm 
the one committing the crime if it's me doing it (although admittedly I 
haven't in a long time. I don't remember the last thing I downloaded at 
all... Hmm... :/). So if my downloading bothers you - do me a favour, keep 
it to yourself. I'll deal with the consequences and my own conscience.


>From: wilson king <garbagebase at yahoo.com>
>To: trash-talk at tcp.com
>Subject: Re: [trash-talk] I may be a pest pointing this out... BUT
>Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:16:09 -0700 (PDT)
>I think the main difference between ripping a CD and publishing the mp3
>on the web, and encoding a video after recording it off of MTV or
>whatever, is that the mp3 is a (compressed) digital copy of something
>that is FOR SALE.
>The videos are not for sale. They are played on TV and anyone with
>access can watch them. Sharing videos doesn't cost the band any
>potential sales, since the videos aren't for sale anyway.
>Sharing mp3s does potentially cost the band some sales of their
>I'm not sure, this is simply my own opinion. But I think there's some
>truth to it..
>--- Silver Vow <Silver_Vow at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't like to make a big fuss on this list... but this kind of just
> > confuses me and seems sad that TT went this way (calling the kettle
> > black that is).
> >
> > OKay, I admit I woud love to get my hands on some of the b-sides from
> > the new album because I simply don't have the money right now to
> > purchase import singles until probably this summer... not only that
> > but I've spent close to $2k or more on Garbage in my day
> > (www.silvermeg.net/garbage and that isn't even all of what I have!)
> >
> > and I agree with g.o. on:
> >
> > <<"I agree that publishing this mp3 is technically piracy.  I'm not
> > going to argue the meaning of the word or the morality of the action.
> >  I'm just wondering why it's now become a big deal on trash-talk.
> > Yes, I'd been absent from the list for a few years around the BG era,
> > so maybe I missed something.  But this is the first time I'VE ever
> > seen a trash-talker share a b-side, and have a bunch of other
> > trash-talkers yell "PIRACY!" ">>
> >
> >
> > BUT... why do the videos run rampet for free?  Going into the film
> > industry and being a film student now, it's totally the same set of
> > piracy standards and so forth.  Why is no one bitching about looking
> > at copies of videos that people have encoded??  I love Elfie's DVD of
> > garbage music videos, but no one bitched about that and that
> > technically violates copyrights since she collects fees for her
> > fanclub.
> >
> > So my question is, why the double standard with video?  And why
> > suddenly all the bitching about posting MP3's esp when I think we are
> > aware that this group for the most part are some of the most hardcore
> > trashers.  ANd if you're gonna bitch about MP3 copies of songs, why
> > aren't you bitching about encoded copies of videos?  Esp when I know
> > a lot of people on TT for sure downloaded copies of BG when it was
> > leaked...
>"The greatest price of refusing to participate in politics is being 
>governed by your inferiors."
>  - Plato, The Republic
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