hi all,<br><br>just another two cents from another old-timer (if you would consider so a subscriber since late 1999 - the release of "nightlife" somewhat coincided with the beginning of my internet activity - that never unsubscribed and still reads about everything posted here).
<br><br>with a few days delay, because like erik I have way too much to do IRL, at work and outside, to spend as much time on the web as I used to several years back - and that's also the reason why I don't participate in online forums, except the french PSB one.
<br><br>I just wanted to say that I totally agree with what johan and erik (undoubtedly old timers) have written.<br>lydia annoys me, jeff/aloysius makes me smile, and that's it. who cares, really? people come and go, true things remain. and I couldn't possibly be affected by sthg that would be said online by someone I've never met and will never meet, like pierre recently wrote (I also join his point).
<br><br>btw, pierre is a friend of mine IRL and we got to know each other thanks to intro, witnessing we were two members working at the same place back then, with the same e-mail extension. it was in november 1999 and we've been friends ever since, sharing a common passion for music, PSB and far beyond.
<br><br>this is surely not the only example, so intro has also served to create friendships over the years, and it's clearly a special place for me and always will be.<br>long live this list to which I will always remain faithful, and go on with flame-wars, that's so funny if you have a genuine sense of second degree...
<br><br>cheers from belgium,<br>gilles<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2007/8/25, Johan <<a href="mailto:johan@ostergaard.org">johan@ostergaard.org</a>>:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I agree that the flame wars ruined Introspective, but I think in actual fact<br>there was only really one person doing almost all of the flaming and that<br>was Jeffrey Durst - he wrote about 5 posts (most of them harsh personal
<br>attacks) every time somebody else wrote one. Since the list moderator did<br>not intervene, he made about half the list members unsubscribe and the other<br>half shut up. This combined with the upshot of the web forum and the well
<br>combed 'Petheads' mailing list shut down Introspective in my opinion. Oh<br>well, at least it went out in flames rather than just fading away :-)<br><br>I do rather enjoy Jeffrey's ramblings in a way - as trolls go he is at least
<br>doing it with some wit and style - but it's a shame that he was allowed to<br>single-handedly close down a long time well-functioning list, and it should<br>also be noted that on occasions he has crossed the line between innocent
<br>internet harassment and downright illegal threats and libel against members<br>of this list and the web forum.<br><br>It will be interesting to see if James Lick - who or whatever he is -<br>decides to actually take action this time, as I remember he wrote that he
<br>would some years back. Until then, of course, as you point out, it should be<br>fairly easy for those who are offended or bored by Aloysius/Jeff to simply<br>put him in the junk folder or create a rule that automatically deletes his
<br>mails (In Outlook, go to Tools->Rules and alerts and create a new rule that<br>looks for his name in the sender of the mail and automatically deletes it or<br>puts it in the junk folder).<br><br>Anyway, it's nice to see that so many people stayed here after all - this
<br>list was such an important part of my initiation to the whole internet<br>business that it still has a special place for me - even if we've all grown<br>up now and probably don't have as much time to spend on PSB or mailing lists
<br>these days as back in those days :-)<br><br>Johan<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:introspective-bounces@lists.jameslick.com">introspective-bounces@lists.jameslick.com</a><br>[mailto:
<a href="mailto:introspective-bounces@lists.jameslick.com">introspective-bounces@lists.jameslick.com</a>] On Behalf Of Erik<br>Cedergren<br>Sent: 25. august 2007 12:02<br>To: Introspective - Mail<br>Subject: [Introspective] Intro alive and kicking...
<br><br>Hi all!<br><br> For a long time, the only mails that appeared on Intro were the<br>monthly (?) subscription reminders, and Wayne's weekly polls. (I am very<br>impressed by the latter by the way, what a wealth of info on petheads he
<br>must have amassed by now.)<br><br> Then came Lydia. Some people have been slagging her off, others<br>have been supporting her, but the fact of the matter is, whether you like<br>her or not, *she* has brought life back to this dying list. I may be old,
<br>but I'm not too fond of web forums, I have way too much to do at work to be<br>active on those. I've been on Intro since 1993, and it is still the best way<br>for me to keep up to date with PSB, when I have the time for it. I *want*
<br>Intro to survive!<br><br> Of course, with the increased activity came the inevitable flame<br>wars, and names and words that should have been left unspoken were uttered.<br>No single person is to blame for this, this is just the natural result of
<br>people caring strongly about things. We all care, we but not necessarily<br>agree!<br><br> In the 14 or so years I've been on this list, I have seen people,<br>discussion threads, morons, saints, you name it, come and go. If someone in
<br>particular annoys you, there is always spam filtering. It works perfectly,<br>trust me on that! :) Block their addresses, or just delete their mails as<br>they appear! I know that this may be hard, and I will probably end up on
<br>someones bad list because of my saying this, but to true petheads, the list<br>as a whole is more important than any single egghead trying to ruin things<br>for the rest of us.<br><br> Finally, a bow to Lydia, for having the time and energy to do what
<br>the rest of us have been very bad at - keeping Intro alive and kicking! I<br>may not always agree with you, but you really do care, and in my book, that<br>counts!<br><br>//ecgn (suffering from delusions of adequacy)<br>
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